So if you walk into an electronics lab and see a piece of equipment with squee 😍 all these cool dials! 😍 and 🥰 🥰 lights!!! 🥰 🥰 and a threatening 😠 sign that says “don’t touch,” and you turn a dial just a little, but you totally didn’t hurt anything, who was in the wrong now that the equipment isn’t calibrated? The person for making the threatening sign? The person for leaving their equipment where any toddler could get to it? Or the the toddler for not having agency enough to know not to touch something that doesn’t belong to them? Are you going to pay for the engineering time it took a team to calibrate the equipment for a First Article Test the next week? You’re going to pay for the customers to fly back home after flying in on a Sunday for a Monday/Tuesday test that now can’t happen?
Just because you don’t assign a value to a golf club doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a value to the person who bought it, trained with it, and went through the effort to carry it somewhere to play golf. And golf clubs or engineering labs aside, you don’t seem like you’ve ever had something broken by someone else before you even got a chance to use it. Are you going to refund the guy’s once in a lifetime golf vacation because you don’t know what forces a graphite shaft can/can’t withstand? Are you going to replace his grandpa’s headcover that he uses because it reminds him of his deceased grandpa teaching him golf?
The engineering lab would obviously have access controls because of people who don’t understand what they’re doing. Someone’s golf clubs on a golf course, within sight of the owner and within asking distance to see if it’s OK to look at one can usually rely on common sense and etiquette. Usually…
Again, you’re assigning a value of zero to someone else’s property.
If you’re on your way to your landlord with $500 to make rent for the month and get mugged it’s a lot different if you’ve got plenty of money in the bank and need to make another trip to retreive more versus if it’s the last $500 you had to your name and you get evicted for not making rent.
To prove my point, kindly take your most prized possession and destroy it. Post pictures here when you’re done for verification and open another thread moaning about how your stuff is broken and there’s nothing you could’ve done to stop it from happening.
So you agree with the ad’s message then?
I never said that and you shouldn’t put words in my mouth. I didn’t think people being secure in their property was such a debatable topic, but at least I understand now why invite-only, membership-required golf courses exist.
Again, you’re assigning a value of zero to someone else’s property.
So, speaking of putting words in people’s mouths, I never said that.
What I am saying is, if you see someone about to touch your stuff without asking, then the usual, sensible action is to say something along the lines of ‘hey, stop!’ Not tackle them to the ground like a linebacker.
Yes, golf clubs are expensive. I have friends who golf, and one of the things that has convinced me I don’t want to is them talking about the price of their clubs.
However, I have never yet seen a golf club that is so fragile that it will shatter into pieces when touched (and if you watch the ad, all she’s doing is reaching out to touch them). Nor do they electrocute anyone who touches them. Therefore there is absolutely no fucking reason to assult someone for touching them without asking. Yell at them, maybe. Actually attack them, no.
So, speaking of putting words in people’s mouths, I never said that.
Still haven’t seen you posting a picture of you destroying your most prized possession and then whining about how there’s nothing anyone could do. So I guess it’s only your stuff that you place a value on.
one of the things that has convinced me I don’t want to is them talking about the price of their clubs.
Just because it’s not worth it to you doesn’t mean it’s not worth it to them. If you’re ever looking to get into it then Costco currently carries some reasonably priced clubs…
I have never yet seen a golf club that is so fragile that it will shatter into pieces when touched
I’ve seen some persimmon wood clubs with wooden shafts that I wouldn’t touch, but then again I’m respectful of other people’s stuff.
Nor do they electrocute anyone who touches them.
I’ve known people to have a concealed carry stashed in their golf bag.
This portion of this thread has turned into a trolley problem where a guy standing next to a lever has one of his golf clubs laying on one track, and someone voluntarily laid down on the empty track while he was standing at the lever. He’s going to catch shit either way because of someone else’s actions (“your stuff’s broke!” versus “why’d you do that?”). I don’t think anyone’s arguing that the person at the lever/club owner created the setup to the trolley problem.
I don’t see a difference between the golf club and an ironworker’s spud wrench in his tool bag. If someone pulls it out of the bag and drops it into a storm grate early some morning, but the golfer is going to be short a club and the worker will have to go to work without all the required tools on the tool list. At some point the club/tool/purchase has to actually be used for its intended purpose and go from a “securely locked up” state (in a locked house/vehicle) to an “in use” state where someone is clearly using it. Before this thread I’d have thought it was axiomatic that you don’t do something like run up to someone while they’re actively using a tool/machine, but I guess some folks need to be told: if you see a golfer lined up at a ball and concentrating on it, then he’s actively golfing and you shouldn’t interfere. Likewise with going and grabbing a hard hat off a worker’s head. My argument is that the golfing stand bag, next to the golfer, on a golf course is still actively in use even if you think it’s not. The tool bag is in use if the worker has set it on the ground to juggle car keys and a cup of coffee next to their vehicle. They’re a professional in their domain and you don’t get to be an outsider and set rules for their domain.
Even if it was a guy pushing another guy I don’t see how that would’ve ever been a funny spoof skit.
There was no way to salvage this.
Say the guy had just grabbed the woman’s arm or put his arm in front of her to stop her instead. You still have that threat he makes towards her.
Even if that threat was changed to “no one touches my club except me”, you still have that underlying implication of a threat.
There’s no universe that could’ve salvaged this.
I think the only way would be to have it be Bart and Homer replicating the old Butterfinger ads with Homer’s golf club.
So if you walk into an electronics lab and see a piece of equipment with squee 😍 all these cool dials! 😍 and 🥰 🥰 lights!!! 🥰 🥰 and a threatening 😠 sign that says “don’t touch,” and you turn a dial just a little, but you totally didn’t hurt anything, who was in the wrong now that the equipment isn’t calibrated? The person for making the threatening sign? The person for leaving their equipment where any toddler could get to it? Or the the toddler for not having agency enough to know not to touch something that doesn’t belong to them? Are you going to pay for the engineering time it took a team to calibrate the equipment for a First Article Test the next week? You’re going to pay for the customers to fly back home after flying in on a Sunday for a Monday/Tuesday test that now can’t happen?
Just because you don’t assign a value to a golf club doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a value to the person who bought it, trained with it, and went through the effort to carry it somewhere to play golf. And golf clubs or engineering labs aside, you don’t seem like you’ve ever had something broken by someone else before you even got a chance to use it. Are you going to refund the guy’s once in a lifetime golf vacation because you don’t know what forces a graphite shaft can/can’t withstand? Are you going to replace his grandpa’s headcover that he uses because it reminds him of his deceased grandpa teaching him golf?
The engineering lab would obviously have access controls because of people who don’t understand what they’re doing. Someone’s golf clubs on a golf course, within sight of the owner and within asking distance to see if it’s OK to look at one can usually rely on common sense and etiquette. Usually…
So you agree with the ad’s message then? That violently shoving people to the ground if they reach for your golf clubs without asking is okay?
Again, you’re assigning a value of zero to someone else’s property.
If you’re on your way to your landlord with $500 to make rent for the month and get mugged it’s a lot different if you’ve got plenty of money in the bank and need to make another trip to retreive more versus if it’s the last $500 you had to your name and you get evicted for not making rent.
To prove my point, kindly take your most prized possession and destroy it. Post pictures here when you’re done for verification and open another thread moaning about how your stuff is broken and there’s nothing you could’ve done to stop it from happening.
I never said that and you shouldn’t put words in my mouth. I didn’t think people being secure in their property was such a debatable topic, but at least I understand now why invite-only, membership-required golf courses exist.
So, speaking of putting words in people’s mouths, I never said that.
What I am saying is, if you see someone about to touch your stuff without asking, then the usual, sensible action is to say something along the lines of ‘hey, stop!’ Not tackle them to the ground like a linebacker.
Yes, golf clubs are expensive. I have friends who golf, and one of the things that has convinced me I don’t want to is them talking about the price of their clubs.
However, I have never yet seen a golf club that is so fragile that it will shatter into pieces when touched (and if you watch the ad, all she’s doing is reaching out to touch them). Nor do they electrocute anyone who touches them. Therefore there is absolutely no fucking reason to assult someone for touching them without asking. Yell at them, maybe. Actually attack them, no.
Still haven’t seen you posting a picture of you destroying your most prized possession and then whining about how there’s nothing anyone could do. So I guess it’s only your stuff that you place a value on.
Just because it’s not worth it to you doesn’t mean it’s not worth it to them. If you’re ever looking to get into it then Costco currently carries some reasonably priced clubs…
I’ve seen some persimmon wood clubs with wooden shafts that I wouldn’t touch, but then again I’m respectful of other people’s stuff.
I’ve known people to have a concealed carry stashed in their golf bag.
This portion of this thread has turned into a trolley problem where a guy standing next to a lever has one of his golf clubs laying on one track, and someone voluntarily laid down on the empty track while he was standing at the lever. He’s going to catch shit either way because of someone else’s actions (“your stuff’s broke!” versus “why’d you do that?”). I don’t think anyone’s arguing that the person at the lever/club owner created the setup to the trolley problem.
I don’t see a difference between the golf club and an ironworker’s spud wrench in his tool bag. If someone pulls it out of the bag and drops it into a storm grate early some morning, but the golfer is going to be short a club and the worker will have to go to work without all the required tools on the tool list. At some point the club/tool/purchase has to actually be used for its intended purpose and go from a “securely locked up” state (in a locked house/vehicle) to an “in use” state where someone is clearly using it. Before this thread I’d have thought it was axiomatic that you don’t do something like run up to someone while they’re actively using a tool/machine, but I guess some folks need to be told: if you see a golfer lined up at a ball and concentrating on it, then he’s actively golfing and you shouldn’t interfere. Likewise with going and grabbing a hard hat off a worker’s head. My argument is that the golfing stand bag, next to the golfer, on a golf course is still actively in use even if you think it’s not. The tool bag is in use if the worker has set it on the ground to juggle car keys and a cup of coffee next to their vehicle. They’re a professional in their domain and you don’t get to be an outsider and set rules for their domain.
Where the heck did this part about destroying stuff come from? Where in the ad did the woman say she was going to destroy his clubs?
That’s no excuse for violence
You’re lucky to live such a charmed life to be so wealthy that you can absorb an infinite amount of the universe’s shots at you.
If someone touching your golf club is the final ‘shot from the universe’ that makes you knock them down, the problem isn’t golf etiquette