The lack of a U.S. carrier in the Pacific may be short-lived if the Navy deploys another in the next couple of months. But it shows how the open-ended operations with Iran are running some American sailors ragged, analysts say, while the Trump administration further retreats from the Asia-Pacific region and focuses on the Western Hemisphere.

“The administration says that the Pacific is supposed to be the most important behind the Western Hemisphere,” said Greg Poling, director of the Southeast Asia Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Instead, the U.S. is “doing the exact opposite” of its previously expressed goal of pulling out of the Middle East.

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    No one expects China to invade Taiwan because an American aircraft carrier has left the region. But the carrier’s absence gives the Chinese another opportunity to show its strength, said Bryan Clark, a former Navy submariner who is a defense analyst at the Hudson Institute.

    Uh, fucking, I DO!

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      How many years and how fortuitous do the circumstances have to get before people stop insisting an invasion is imminent?

      There’s an enormous amount of value in China and Taiwan remaining friendly trading partners. Westerners refuse to acknowledge this.

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        It would be indeed incredibly stupid for Xi to try to invade Taiwan. There’s the economic cost and there’s a real possibility that he could wind up in the same situation Trump and Putin are currently in. Lots of those pesky drones creating a stalemate situation.

        But authoritarians are being really stupid lately, so we can’t discount the possibility of Xi being as stupid as Trump and Putin.

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          we can’t discount the possibility of Xi being as stupid as Trump and Putin.

          I’m trying to think of a comparable series of blunders the Chinese have committed.

          Xi’s much more in the mold of an Obama or a Merkle than Putin or Trump

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              The three-week incursion into Vietnam in 1979 was certainly a bad decision by the Chinese government. Idk if it stacks up against the American 13 year invasion, occupation, terror-bombing, and torture/assassination campaign that became emblematic of US Foreign policy. Easy to forget the scope of the difference between the two interventions, given how often modern China-watchers love to bring up the former while neglecting the latter.

              But do you have anything perpetrated by the Xi administration specifically? Or just something a sitting administrative official actually presided over?

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                I mean sure, but I don’t see China behaving much better if they ever become a super-power the way the US was for the last hundred years. Especially considering their treatment of Uyghurs.

                I would argue a large part of China not trying to militarily expand their Power was US dominance and their global policing.

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                  I don’t see China behaving much better if they ever become a super-power

                  I’m not sure what else they’d need to do to qualify, shy of actually building out a global network of military bases. In that case, sure. If they start acting like the US, then they’re no better than the US.

                  But for the time being, what I’m seeing - and I’ll quote Dr Lubinda Haabazoka, Director of the University of Zambia Graduate School of Business and former President of the Economics Association of Zambia on this one

                  Every time China visits we get a hospital, every time Britain visits we get a lecture.

                  To date, I’ve seen a lot of Chinese Hospitals (and factories and ports and colleges) opening up across the world. Meanwhile, the only thing guys like Trump and Starmer seem to want to contribute are frowns, finger wags, and 500 lb bunker busters onto wedding parties.

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          China is the one superpower who isn’t wasting their resources on a pointless war, and are investing heavily in infrastructure and their people, and their manufacturing base for EVERYTHING is unparalleled.

          They are taking over the world without firing a shot. Why would they screw that up just to take a tiny island that is no more than a symbol. Let the Westerners think they have some sort of power over them, they know the real truth.

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    Leaders around the world are treating the US military defeat against Iran as a given and are planning for a future that does not include the US in any decisive role.

    The current response of the nations in the Middle East is telling: plans are being drawn up and security cooperations being forged, while pretty much ignoring the US altogether.

    Its likely a precursor for what we’ll see happen with nations surrounding the Sea of Japan and South China Sea in the upcoming months.

    The largest, most powerful nation on earth has literally botched this war. Militarily, politically and economically. And as a result we’re now witnessing the US led global world order unravel completely. I think we’ve entered a very scary time.

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      botched

      It was never winnable. No western nation would have won against Iran. The war is the dumbest war to begin with because of how unwinnable it was. Why are people acting as if Trump could have outsmarted Iran at any point ever? No NATO military leader would have won. The best choice for anyone is to just not start a war with Iran. A smart leader would have just not bombed Iran. No smart leader could win this war. That’s how stupid the war is. The smartest NATO leader right now, if they were fighting a war with Iran, would admit defeat.

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          you should look up Iran on a topographic map some time, and see if you can find another example in history where the west (or russia for that matter) has failed to invade a country that is topographicaly similar, and much much smaller.

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          you simply don’t have a clue of the logistics nightmare that would be providing for that number of soldiers, specially now that Iran has bombed most USA bases that used to be around them

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            It’s not sarcasm, it’s a statement that winning a war against Iran is only a question of how many casualties you’re willing to accept.

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              We aren’t in theory land, we live in the real world. In the real world you are sarcastic. You also confuse simple with easy.

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      The US hasn’t won a war since WWIi, and our current leaders are literally the dumbest people who have ever managed a government. Nobody fears, or cares about America any more.