China has better worker’s policies than America.
Did you even hear about America’s Apple’s Foxconn factory in China where the factory has nets on the windows to stop the frequent ‘inconvenient’ problem of cheap labor workers attempts of window jump suicides, for example? Co-operative structure (worker-owned) companies have more likelihood to have more human policies to, uh, themselves, than ponzi scheme corporations. Despite a fancy socialist (‘communist’) sounding title of government structure, Russia and China both took International Monetary Fund (IMF) loans, with their conditions of worker rights suffocation policies and market concentration monopolization policies. America’s and China’s feudalist monopolist billionaires have a lot more proximity of ideology than either of their propaganda machines has acknowledged so far.
Yeah, I know about all of that, and they still have a better working environment than Americans.
As China has prospered, they have managed to reduce most poverty in their nation. As we have prospered under MAGA, Americans’ quality of life is decreasing, and the slide is increasing. China is going the right way, we are definitely going the wrong way.
I’m not saying that China doesn’t have issues, but they are still committed to the betterment of their country’s future, while American leaders are ONLY concerned with exploiting our country and it’s people to the absolute maximum degree. They don’t want to leave one illegal penny on the table.
I don’t want to be China, but I don’t want to be MAGAMERICA either.
Typical Chinese factory workers have 10-12 hour shifts 6 days a week. Many workers literally live at the factory. Sounds way better than the US or Europe.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
Strange to see China of all places to be societal ahead of everyone else.
Not really to be honest. They’re an authoritarian regime, but they do a lot of social policies. It’s a weird mix but not a new one.
It’s not nearly as authoritarian as people like to claim. Chinese citizens hold tens of thousands of protests each year against a wide variety of topics, and the government is legally required to respond to them. As a consequence, the Chinese government is orders of magnitude more responsive to local corruption or abuses of power than almost any western country.
It absolutely is. Have a look at the definition of authoritarianism, China checks all the boxes.
Literally all governments are definitionally authoritarian, it’s a stupid criticism
Absolutely not! I encourage you to re-read the definition of authoritarianism and research a bit more about the governments all around the world!
Ah! So you consider that every single restriction a country applies makes it authoritarian. Yeah, I don’t think you understand authoritarianism, and in today’s context, that’s dangerous.
But I won’t lose sleep over it!
I would kill to live in a country like China that optimizes its economy for use value over exchange value.
Honey, I used to live there, and I hate to burst your bubble, but there’s a huge HUGE difference between what China says and does.
I’ve heard from many other Chinese people who say the opposite, so I’m gonna go ahead and press X to doubt.
Edit: I also don’t really care what someone with enough resources to emigrate has to say. I’m more concerned with ordinary workers, who have a 90%+ approval rating of the CCP.
What do the rural poor in China think of their new billionaire class and their ever increasing wealth gap?
They probably hate it, but are glad that they have the CCP to prevent them from gaining political power as well as economic power.
The CCP are the wealthy people in control. Those are some good mental gymnastics.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
Tankies call you out for
patronizingwhen literally every single comment ever by tankies on Lemmy are patronizing and calling out people for “being brainwashed capitalistic libs”. Yikes.Patronizing and completely unsubstantiated!
Can’t say anything good about China without droves of butthurt westerners showing up to regurgitate outdated state department talking points and be weird & racist
People always shit on China, not realizing workers have good protection in general. Besides that unlike the US, China has a strong privacy protection law similar to the European GDPR. You’ll never hear about this, because that goes against what western propaganda would like you to believe.
https://www.hawksford.com/insights-and-guides/china-pipl-compliance-guide
Edit : exactly what I was expecting. Commenting ongoing negativity about China. Not talk about illegal wars started by the US, bombing children, the US genocide against the native Americans, slavery. No always the same rinse and repeat. I get it China bad. Like North Korea but worse except for all the advances in technology, infrastructure and medicine.
Tell me more about the worker protections extended to the children working in Nike sweatshops.
Cool story
You forgot, you have to ignore all the good things China does, highlight all the bad (especially if it’s western fear mongering bullshit), and when you highlight how contextually the US is almost always worse for X reason, remember to “oppose both” when you seem to have way more smoke for the other. This is because “tankies bad” and don’t think about it harder obviously. /s
You forgot, you have to ignore all the good things China does
For it’s workers? China is still behind EU when it comes to workers rights and benefits though? Good for them they are slowly, very slowly progressing in that regard.
E.g. paid time off in China is 5 days a year, +5 for every decade of cumulative work experience; it starts at 4-6 weeks in the EU; China has more of it’s own youth muddled in gig economy then EU (don’t get me started on how exploitative gig work is, it is disgusting any country allows for that practice).
Even in your one cherry picked metric it’s still beating the US. Incredible.
- Why would you use shit for comparisons? Compare upwards. And why would you inject US into this thread too?
- I don’t care about this thread or you, why would I spent more effort showing more metrics?
You’re losing and you know it
Foxconn employees in particular are very well protected:
…from the ground.
“Failing to meet a quota or making a mistake can draw public condemnation from superiors. Workers are often expected to stay silent and may draw rebukes from their bosses for asking to use the restroom.”
https://wonderfulengineering.com/story-life-death-apple-forbidden-city/
The installation of suicide nets reflects a broader commitment to employee well-being and mental health within the tech industry.
https://wheelermethodist.org/religion/suicide-nets-apple/
Yeah, say that with a straight face.
Other than the safety nets this sounds exactly like working at an Amazon fullfillment center in the US. The safety nets are a good thing, letting people die isn’t.
Gee I wonder why people criticize China for treating workers like crap. Is it the sweatshops or the Uyghur camps? It‘s a mystery.
There is a big push for pro China propaganda I keep noticing.
Be smart people, it hasn’t changed from the china you knew five years ago. Same dude still running it.
You didn’t know anything about China five years ago either
It started as pure propaganda but got adopted by all of the basement dwellers living of social support in the west who turned China’s propaganda into a lifestyle (aka tankies)
This is projection
The “Uyghur camps” are bullshit, the only countries claiming otherwise have spent the past 50+ years indiscriminately imprisoning and bombing innocent muslims around the world, zero credibility
If CCP and PLA run China experiences high unemployment, the country will implode. The court ruling is one thing, but what will really occur will be the complete opposite. Free West Taiwan!
Delusional
