Well sure - Israel holds blame as well - but the US trains, equips, funds, protects legally, and provides moral support. The genocide began under Biden, who is a self proclaimed Zionist. You are pretending not to understand that and I don’t really understand why. The Republicans are no better - but we have no chance to get them to abandon the genocide - the democrats are the only option to end it - but they must be made to.

I mean - that’s fine - but it is what a decent number of people beleive.

Which is whataboutism - it is a legitimate argument.

One of those things is not like the other.

I mean, I agree - but this logic breaks down for those who believe that a fetus is alive.

The democrats began a genocide. They forced anyone with a conscience not to vote for them.

The genocide that Biden and Bibi started. I care about stopping it. If you don’t - then that’s something you need to examine. The democrats forced this on us - I wish they hadn’t, but they did.

Its unfortunate, but the democrats forced this.

There has never been an example of a genocidal regime deciding to stop. They have all had to BE STOPPED. That’s my example - every single case in history.

Grow up and cheer on a genocide? You have a very strange idea of adulthood.

One of them started it - do you remember that? If anything Bidden / Harris would have been more committed to it - it was ideological for them - Trump just doesn’t care - he’s as likely to get annoyed with Bibi and change sides because he gets distracted.

It’s absolutely the lesser of two evils. If the democrats had won we would have no chance of a non-genocidal candidate in 2028. Right now we have that possibility.

Yes - there is a cost to adopting genocide as the democratic platform. If only Harris and Biden had valued the list of things you list more than committing crimes against humanity we would not be in this situation.

I’m sure that is what Harris and Biden are wrestling with. If only they had valued those lives when they had the chance to save them.

The lessons of the 1940s again. Many brave patriots gave their lives, then as now, in the fight against genocide.

Stopping genocide has a cost. A cost that the democrats imposed on us by being more willing to let Trump win than renounce crimes against humanity. Let’s hope they have learned their lesson.

History shows us that no regime has just ‘decided’ to give up on genocide once it has a taste for it. The democrats were never going to stop on their own - they had to be stopped - like every other genocidal regime. Locking them out of power until they renounce genocide is the only historically viable approach.

This assumes that every election is independent - which they are not. The ‘lesser evil’ is to lock democrats out of power until they run non-genocidal candidates. The short term sucks, but in the long term it is much much better.

I’m happy to talk as long as you do - I just think you’ve run out of ways to pretend you don’t understand the issue, so you’ve now just posting nonsense to try to save face.

I’m happy to talk as long as you do - I just think you’ve run out of ways to pretend you don’t understand the issue, so you’ve now just posting nonsense to try to save face.