The very bad news is, Nvidia says turning DLSS 5 on will currently reduce performance by 50-60%. And that’s across the board—no matter the game.

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    5 days ago

    Cool, yet my point on gaming still stands. Most places I installed screens at had us (mostly done by the roll up software) turn the res down (so people can read it). You can use 4k I am sure, knock yourself out, but we are in crazy land where your need to have 4k has left us all in a nightmare of shit performance and fake frames.

    “Such a L take” is funny from the people with more money then sense who always seem to revert to a “get gud” defense when confronted with the idea that maybe spending more is not always a good idea.

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      If you had to turn the res down so people can read it then you failed at basic computer usage. Resolution doesn’t dictate font size.

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        5 days ago

        HA! But it does! try setting your 4k display to 1080p… Look! Bigger letters!

        Keep in mind this was also due to most places wanting the same settings with all pcs, so hey the shittiest res becomes everyones! YAY!

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          5 days ago

          Your favorite desktop OS has scaling settings which uses more pixels to draw the same characters bigger whilst letting you enjoy a smoother and better looking desktop

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      Eh, okay dude, sure thing, I usually have my browser set by default to 80% zoom on lower res screens and my font is quite small on the 4k, I also disable any kind of scaling.

      Believe it or not, not everyone sees the world like you do.

      It sounds like you made up your mind though, which is cool for you I guess.

      I appreciate advances in tech, especially stuff like display tech, you kind of remind me of my dad the time he told us we’d never need a hard drive bigger than 2gb, lol.

      I’m just gonna go be gud over here, you do you over there…

      I’ll also add that anti aliasing is not as important nowadays because realistically, it was a way to hide lower resolutions by smoothing edges, now edges can be smooth at native resolutions without it. (there’s nuance to that ofc) I’m not sure if you hated AA too.

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        5 days ago

        You have literally disabled the feature that makes fonts look correct on 4k and further shrunk the text by setting zoom to 80%. It’s not really a matter of opinion you are just wrong.

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            1 day ago

            Correct is UI elements including text graphics and controls displaying somewhere in the expected range for human use. Literally impossible on 180+ DPI machines without scaling

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              Here we go, taken from where my head usually sits. I just copied some random text in so you can see. And yes, this is exactly the way I use it every day. Quite unimpossible for me.

              Excuse the OS, that’s forced upon me by work.

              Bonus 1080p screen on the side.

              Works pretty fucking amazing for me and I plan on replacing my side monitors with 4k ones too because they feel too cramped.

              Edit: shit, I just checked, I had the browser at 90%, sorry, I do swap around between the 1080 and 4k all the time so I adjust as I move across and 80% is at times too small on the 4k.

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                Based on the screenshot I’m pretty sure you are are 150% scaling. Do you also describe yourself as a windows power user?

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                  Tomorrow when I’m back on my pc I’ll take a photo of the scaling settings because apparently all I’ve done so far is lie.

                  I used to be a MS sys admin for the first 10 years of my career and I have I think 10 certs, so I guess? I don’t really consider myself much of a windows anything since moving to cloud based sys eng and devops roles. I’m not sure what that makes me? I hate MS and windows so 🤷‍♀️, not that it really matters, I know that the question was more snark than anything else.

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            Display scaling settings. Every OS has them. They let you render your UI larger while still taking advantage of the increased resolution. For instance a 4k display at 200% display scaling will have everything be the same size as an equivalent 1080p screen, but will still look much smoother because it is actually using the proper resolution for rendering.

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              Why would I want that? I literally got a bigger screen for more real estate and more text, why would I get a 4k screen and turn it into a smoother 1080p screen?

              It slike people who buy 24"+ 1080p screens, they look like dogwater, why would you want that.

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                Scaling does NOT turn your 4K screen into a smoother 1080p screen. Fonts are the perfect example modern fonts aren’t pixels they are resolution independent descriptions of shapes. One could draw an S as small as it appears as one you see in this comment or as big as your screen. As its drawn bigger and bigger the curve is drawn with more and more pixels and the letter has the same form and shape at any size.

                Whereas monitors range from 68-360 dpi you probably CAN read a 12 pt font at around 6mm on a monitor 12-18 inches away but probably CAN’T read it at 1mm because your eyes just can’t resolve or can’t comfortably resolve shapes below a certain size even with infinite pixels. It is possible you can read slightly smaller text which you can achieve by slightly tweaking font size in addition to scaling.

                EG you scale your 4K monitor at 2x but decrease font size from 12 -> 10 pt or whatever combination produces a pleasant usable experience for you.

                Similarly graphics aren’t degraded. Your 4K video isn’t scaled down to 1080p because you are scaled at 2x. Your environment gives your video player a rectangle to fill with pixels. The controls drawn by the app are scaled the contents are the contents of the video file as decoded. The same is true of graphics but because graphics aren’t resolution independent it depends on high enough resolution assets being available. Your browser given a 400x400 space to draw an image linstead of a 200x200 will draw a nicer image if one is available.

                TLDR: Scaling makes high dpi displays look nicer not shittier. Integer scaling is nicer and simpler but fractional scaling is needed for some less common resolution and size combos. Setting scaling and then tweak font size to taste.

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                Because if you buy a laptop or something that has a 16 inch 4k screen the text will be nearly unreadable. Or some people have poor eyesight so want larger text while still being able to watch movies/play games in a higher res. It has tons of use cases, just because they don’t apply to you doesn’t mean it is useless.

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                  Oh sorry, you’re not the person who was being rude to me above, my bad.

                  Yes, for sure, those are all valid. In my case it’s a 28" desktop monitor, so I prefer everything to be small.

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                    I’m 99% certain that the following is true

                    You said buying a 24+ 1080p screen looks like shit so you didn’t buy a 28" one.

                    4K with 100% scale AND 80% browser zoom at 4K would be microscopic.

                    Logically you have a 2K monitor. Basically you don’t understand the need for scaling for an obvious reason

                    1080p 24" monitor from 2008 = 92 DPI 2560x1440 28" “2K” monitor = 104 DPI

                    Meanwhile 24" 4K monitor = 184 DPI 14" 4K laptop = 315 DPI

                    What you use is barely different and scaling doesn’t make sense.

                    High DPI monitors are useless without scaling.

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        5 days ago

        Believe it or not, not everyone sees the world like you do.

        Heyyyyy look good advice!