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Right that’s the system now where you send your id to the site. With the if app they won’t know anything else than that the unknown person was over 18.

Not from my end, but I respect your view

I just said the id thing would avoid the issue in OP

The latter, someone asking to see your id to verify that you’re over 18

I’m getting the id system I was hoping for though. I’m getting my crumbs.

How? Now people are sending their photo ids to many sites. With the app you’d be sending a cryptographic key that tells the site nothing else than the person who has this, is 18+

Man, that would be fun. Probably healthier for them too haha

Where I live a lot of kids have bank accounts, but of course it would be silly to put a lot of money there. But can’t you deposit cash into bitcoin things and use them for payments or gift cards? I’ve seen those on some gambling sites.

And if you say “well they can steal their parent’s credit card,” how would that not equally apply to a parent’s photo ID or anything else necessary for age-verification?

Photo ID apparently needs a face scan too, it’s not enough to just have the ID. Then you get into what if they steal the ID, fool their parents and whatnot which… I don’t think that’s as much of a concern tbh

I think it’s supposed to be additional to parenting, like carding at stores

I didn’t realize there was some question at the end, thanks mentioning it

E: Answered it now

I was thinking gambling but porn is illegal to buy for under 18-yo in some places so they might use the age gating for that too

I’m against sending pictures of your card. Just showing your card to a shopkeeper, that’s fine imo.

I don’t think there being a delay once you originally setup the app is a big issue or takes more than a few minutes max. You do that first time and then your phone is generating the key based on the master key, the site confirms the key with the central server. That sort of handshake or what it is called happens almost instantly.

That sounds a lot more involved, expensive and burdensome to people than just having the site ask you to verify with the app

The child would need to get the app and have it verified (id and face scan, bank logins).

I know kids steal or fake ids but yeah not a reason imo to not card people hah

a bad actor could give keys to kids and then use that same key as blackmail to control them.

How would that work, be around to verify with the app or something?

I’m pretty indifferent to there being age gates. I hate the shitty implementation though, I’d never sent my id to random sites

Age checks are already widely adopted, using a lot worse system. This new system that’s better is being implemented

So no luck needed for that at least

Slightly better is still better, but imo a site knowing just an age range (18+) of someone they don’t know compared to them having a picture of my id with all my info (name, dob, social security number, face, all that) is a lot, a lot better imo

I’d be more worried if the apps were closed source but the ones I’ve heard about that are making an actual implementation of the protocol are open source so you can see everything it is doing, who it is contacting etc

You can use a driver’s license or your bank. Different methods to verify it to the app. After verification, the app won’t save the info, just the knowledge that you’re over 18.

the app also knows every site you visit (that requests your age)

Not much of a worry locally. Disabling history is probably included in this (sort of porn mode/incognito, same as your browser). The info isn’t much use locally anyway

In practice that’s just your government (as that’s the most likely source of authority to verify your age) tracking what you’re doing on the web.

Government knows you’ve verified the app but they don’t know what you’re using the app for, it doesn’t have phone home. Your app is giving the site a generated cryptographic key, the site compares that to see if it is a valid key and then accepts it. The key doesn’t carry your personal info with it, so the central db doesn’t know who is being asked about, just whether the key is valid (so someone is 18+)

I sincerely wish you luck in your endeavor, but I’m not very optimistic about it so in the meanwhile, better system would be better